# PadSynth, FileMincer and BandPass2 crashing ableton

**URL:** <https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/t/padsynth-filemincer-and-bandpass2-crashing-ableton/2101>\
**Category:** Csound Noobs\
**Created:** [4 September 2020 21:31 UTC](https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/t/padsynth-filemincer-and-bandpass2-crashing-ableton/2101 "2020-09-04T21:31:54Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![rorywalsh](https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/user_avatar/forum.cabbageaudio.com/rorywalsh/32/165_2.png) [@rorywalsh](https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/u/rorywalsh)\
**Post date:** [12 October 2020 11:28 UTC](https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/t/padsynth-filemincer-and-bandpass2-crashing-ableton/2101/22 "2020-10-12T11:28:10Z")

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No crashes here. I wonder if it has something to do with Max4Live? I don’t seem to be able to run any of those instruments here when I load your session. They are all disabled. Can you try removing the Max4Live stuff and creating another session that crashes? I will try that one when i get a chance. 👍

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**Author:** ![chrismasciari](https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@chrismasciari](https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/u/chrismasciari)\
**Post date:** [12 October 2020 15:25 UTC](https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/t/padsynth-filemincer-and-bandpass2-crashing-ableton/2101/23 "2020-10-12T15:25:46Z")

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this one has no maxforlive devices, but there are some vsts. This time “Harmonics” doesn’t crash it, but HSBOSCIl does.[freetime Project.zip](https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/uploads/short-url/xETxDadgpbZzY7XSLSGF3hsLGJe.zip) (271.8 KB)

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**Author:** ![rorywalsh](https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/user_avatar/forum.cabbageaudio.com/rorywalsh/32/165_2.png) [@rorywalsh](https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/u/rorywalsh)\
**Post date:** [12 October 2020 18:05 UTC](https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/t/padsynth-filemincer-and-bandpass2-crashing-ableton/2101/24 "2020-10-12T18:05:20Z")

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I can’t recreate your conditions here because I don’t have access to the session VSTs. Is it possible to create a crash with a vanilla project that only uses basic Live instruments?

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**Author:** ![chrismasciari](https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@chrismasciari](https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/u/chrismasciari)\
**Post date:** [13 October 2020 11:44 UTC](https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/t/padsynth-filemincer-and-bandpass2-crashing-ableton/2101/25 "2020-10-13T11:44:03Z")

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okay, it must be some issue with another VST then, I can’t recreate the crash with a vanilla project.

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**Author:** ![rorywalsh](https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/user_avatar/forum.cabbageaudio.com/rorywalsh/32/165_2.png) [@rorywalsh](https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/u/rorywalsh)\
**Post date:** [13 October 2020 13:46 UTC](https://forum.cabbageaudio.com/t/padsynth-filemincer-and-bandpass2-crashing-ableton/2101/26 "2020-10-13T13:46:47Z")

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Ok, that’s going to make it quite difficult to debug. I can’t think of hand what might be causing the conflict.

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